Bugliosi said. Because certainly the message couldn't be, "sorry you're in jail bud, but we kicked started a global race war last night". Always was. I have read the trial transcripts, I know that site. You leave it to someone else to decide if someone is lying: judge or jury. It's intriguing if nothing else. YOu can say she is certainly flawed, self-destructive, has terrible judgement and suchbut applying terms like good and bad just distorts any understanding of the whole shebang. :). But here you go. ?Leslie & Tex are the only ones that have stated that categorically and have remained with it. That's the point lol. Maybe the pity you have for Linda- who walked away free (That She blew it is her own fault)- would be better served to the people affected by what she helped do??? people who assert their opinions as biblical truths.I am not picking on him, but just by way of example, Saint said."The real Losers in this entire sage are the victims and their families".First of all, no offense but that is a "duh" statement to the point of being a cliche.Second, it is said that you can't compare pain any more than you can compare love. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE8_N-eBm_4Bill Clinton in London during 'Nam was a CIA plant who spied on the Anti-war protesters. That's not the way I use it at all. Some folk are just simply born under a bad sign, cursed with to much anger, desperation and bad judgement in their DNA. She spent her whole life getting into trouble. But that's a subjective judgement. St Circumstance saidThat's the point lol. Granted, not everyone becomes a murderer because of a rough passage in a part of one's life, but to be honest, that's no argument, because some do.But this isn't an appeal to feel sorry for anyone, just an observation that life contains nuances that are neither easy to explain nor simple to dismiss. Do you hate everyone who was of draft age during the Vietnam era. document.write(part3 + ''); Matt saidAmazing that the defense lawyers never bothered to check on that tidbit during the months and months duration of the trialDuring the trial, she was asked a number of times about her licence. After they are convicted they need to embrace the official narrative or they don't get out. I personally think if you wrote the HS motive out of this Manson ends up exactly where he is. That matters to me, They have a need for HS to be wrong. Usually, when I'm reading them, I try to guess who has written them before I get to the end. Her parents divorced and remarried when Linda was still young. The question is leading, hes suggesting the answer in his question. The key impact of both crimes is that Conspiracy to Commit Murder and Felony Murder do not require the defendant to actually kill anyone or even be present when someone is murdered to be guilty of murder. Far more than the others that actually went to jail, fingers can be pointed at Linda about how not to conduct one's life. ?Here, here! Even to this day, what makes HS so strong is that it kept on coming up. Here is a fact: Krenwinkel never said the motive was Helter Skelter. Linda Kasabian was born Linda Drouin on June 21, 1949 in Biddeford, Maine. "The ONLY reason we're all confused is because "Healter Skelter" and "Death to Pigs" were written in blood at the LaBianca crime scene. You can correct me on that one. She kept away from media attention except for once when she agreed to do an interview for an American television program A Current Affair in 1988. Amazing that the defense lawyers never bothered to check on that tidbit during the months and months duration of the trial. "Who was watching Sharon Tate?Opinion: "That just don't make no sense". Everything he did was part of a plan to wage a horrible war (murder). Her parents divorced and remarried when Linda was still young. [STOP right here! Of course, I never thought she was an innocent flower child, like VB made her out to be, but he needed her as a witness. The three were instructed to kill an actor that once picked Kasabian up hitchhiking. He reinforced it was alright to act on the dangerous impulses this particular assortment of people had. But kids were revered in the Family which made Tonya safer. But you know, there may well be someone in this world that could say the same about any one of us. The brackets are my comments. Mr. Kasabian had abandoned her and their child in Los Angeles while he went off to South America. Imagine what Van Houten's attorneys could have done with that 1976 Globe reporter and a trip to New Hampshire. He also went on to say that he preferred Linda as she hadn't killed anyone but because of the grand jury deal, was stuck with Susan.Interestingly, even with Susan, he simply had no case against Linda. Great stuff, Dreath! Fits her personality (disorder?). Excellent work by Dreath here. No dont stop Dreathwhat happens next ? I agree with your comment about multiple angles. [Her statement obviously threw Bugliosi]A. I did not mean to offend and apoligise if I didYou didn't offend at all.I'll stop now. I try to do that. or is that just my imaginationrunning away with me. Linda then traveled to Boston, where she married a. When Larry King asked her if at any point she asked Manson why are we doing this and why are these people being killed, she was at a total loss for words until Bugliosi spoke up and answered for her. Pat, in Guinn's book, presents herself as not wanting the murders to happen, going so far as to say that the following night at Waverley, before anthing happened with Rosemary, she prayed to God, asking him to make the murders stop and since she went ahead and exercised her own free will in participating in carnage and mutilation and God didn't strike her down and stop her, Leslie or Tex, she's not believed in God since that night.And she has a problem with Linda presenting herself as not being a willing participant.As a side issue, if Linda hadn't been at the car when they arrived at it after Cielo's action, would they have just driven off and left her ? Sympathy is something that just doesn't make sense to me. And some members of the killer's families such as Leslie's dad or one of Tex's siblings might have lived for years haunted by what someone they loved was capable of doing.My original point in the above post was just to say that old cliche of being impossible to judge a person or situation unless you walk a mile in their shoes. Horrified, Linda looked him in the eye and said "sorry," just before he collapsed. But now and again one does sort of let something out that is interesting. They only knew she didn't partake in violence because at Cielo, she was look out and wasn't asked. Bob Kasabian wanted to go back to Spahn's Ranch to get his daughter, but Linda was too afraid. So did she really have a valid license as was presented in court? Whether Linda engaged in any violence or had the ability to do so isn't the big question here. She was the chief witness at the prosecution of Manson and his followers for the Tate LaBianca murders. I'm not saying the 'Linda kites in Charlie speak' didn't happen, just that I don't believe that had anything to do with Susan recanting. She was in search of love, freedom and God. Hell no, it wasn't even life in jail at the time, it was death in the gas chamber.Please offer some proof that this or something similar is the case. I wonder if he and Fleischmann were on friendly terms.. Saint, If you are referring to that post above, I think that is entirely consistent with HS. Most likely a white man took his place. It doesn't really matter. Linda did choose her path, but so did Ruth. Plus Tex's born-again act just comes across as to smarmy and sanctimonious. Dreath saidI don't believe she told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truthThat could depend on what you suspect to be "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It doesn't need to be personal. I hope I do that. Perhaps he even was trying to remind her about the importance of midnight, we'll never know. So if I appear to be defending her or anyone else that is generally presented as unsavoury, it's because I think there should be a balance to anyone spoken about.Even Charles Watson. Well done. The question is why would Atkins leave Sharon, alive and alone, in the house to take this little stroll? "At what price, my friend? Member of the Manson Family (born 1949) Add links. I'm not sure how the neglect of Ruth's teen years inures her from criticism but not Linda. I can give you a few: By 1974 31% of adolescents with divorced parents dropped out of high school, 33% of adolescent girls whose parents divorced became teen mothers 11% of boys who came from divorced families ended up spending time in prison before the age of 32. // -->, Manson Blog Tour 2020! Post this, she moved in with her father who was working as a bartender in Miami. Everything he did was part of a plan to wage a horrible warDon't get me wrong, I'm not a 3rd Reich admirer or apologist. Did she play well with others?That job as an aide at a nursing home sounds so kind and sweet. The problem of course is that Bugliosi does not want that answer. linda kasabian daughter tanya 3- Classes pack for $45 linda kasabian daughter tanya for new clients only. The question: what if she was ASKED? As opposite the teachings of Christ as one can get.Is Linda a good person? Dreath saidyou have a tendency to 'move the goal posts' which makes responding to you rather difficultIf by that you mean that I seem to jump around on the subjects and quotes I'll comment on, that's true. Manson announced that it was time for Helter Skelter, the inevitable race war after which he and his followers would take control of America. But I rereading my post above I do feel regret. But, again, all good. She told Richard Caballero that on LaBianca night, there were to be 2 death squads. Equally, the idea of Linda as the heroine of the hour is daft to me even though I think she did the right and good thing by testifying. I hope I do thatI think you do.This is a good piece. He is expressing his opinion just like RH, me, you, Saint, etc. She's the black loving, anti-racism alternative. Early Life. So WHY go the distance. ]MR.KANAREK: Compound, your Honor, leading and suggestive. Dreath saidProbably move the goal posts was not the best turn of a phrase. ?Then she walks and spends the rest of her live breaking the law and partying wit her own child who she breaks laws with.Yeah, all true. Indeed, Tex has cleared Susan of stabbing Sharon Tate, while Pat cleared up the mystery of who carved WAR on Leno LaBianca and Tex has subsequently revealed he coerced Leslie into doing "something" {which is not to in any way diminish her responsibility}.But nothing regarding Linda, except the penalty phase debacle which all the main players have since admitted was lies and rubbish. The two split up, but reconnected when Robert invited Linda to come out to California. She chose to be the way she was and then she eventually became the same kind of parent that Diane and Ruth had.So Sad. Not so much today. She married, divorced, remarried, and gave birth to a daughter in 1968. And what of the guy that prosecuted them ? Groups like the Revolutionary Youth Movement- Weather Underground and precursors to the SLA like those in the Revolutionary Union who support the strategy of urban warfare espoused by people like H Bruce Franklin and the leadership of Venceramos (sp?) They can't both be right, correct, so pick one. Even her Mum acknowledged that.Don't waste your tears for Linda and LeslieI'm a human being, St. Was HE dropping Naplam on little girls running for cover down the road ?Linda K. is the perfect choise for examination IF you want to discover a more human side of the Manson Family Story. In 1968, the couple's first daughter Tanya was born. But at least he had an excuse Grim- respectfully one question:No hard and fast rules agreed, but let me ask you this?Do you not think there is a difference between a person like Ruth who was 15 when her father starting using hard drugs with her and in front of her, and encouraging her to have sex with older strangers WINDING UP hanging around the wrong crowdAnd a single mother like Linda who has parents willing to help her stay out of trouble and encourage her not to be in trouble yet consistently throughout her life CHOOSES to be with the wrong crowd??? Bugliosi did say that he had planned to question Susan later so who knows, it may have come up. You said Kreneinkle said it. Manson Mythos saidThe recent revelation of the close proximity of the apartment where Saladin Nader allegedly lived and the HQ of the Straight Satans is something that cannot be dismissed as pure CoincidenceOf course it can !In a city where different Family members had various dealings, if some of those places were near each other, what is unusual about that ? I would have testified without a deal" translates when the evidence is revealed to 'I'm not talking even if the sky falls (but I will for immunity)"I thought that story was a pretty lame red herring and so without context. Even with all the people that eventually formed part of the huge patchwork needed to make Manson's role make sense, without an Atkins, a Van Houten, a Krenwinkel, a Watson or a Kasabian, the case was so limp and that's why people would say to the prosecution things like "shame you had to be landed with such a bummer !". , Linda looked him in the eye and said `` sorry, '' just before collapsed. 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