Kids got raped, beaten, thrown in the hobbit constantly with a large male staff always handy to kick their ass and ensure that they stayed on silence. Thank you so much for posting this, and being such a good advocate for her safety. I came Here looking for a Place that does the Seminars so I can send my Daughter through them, and all I see are Comments from Unaccountable People. I havent found his name anywhere here, but I havent researched it much either. Shit i remember when they had the riot at one of the out of country locations and they shipped a bunch of students to SCL. co. did a masterful job in turning you into the insensitive , company line towing cretin that you present yourself to be. 5 months in the wilderness then committed, year and more. One time Chaffin hit 3 golf balls into the woods and said if we didnt find all 3 we would all drop to level one. I think I remember Eugene because he had a hearing aid that he used to let me wear for fun, and he was an awesome kid from California, too. Learn how your comment data is processed. Our help was the traumait was child abuse. I showed up to Spring Creek Lodge a level 5 and that was fucking weird. I heard you had a baby a while back! All the fake relationships to get thru accountability. Jr. staff starting arriving from Samoa to work at Spring Creek, and after seeing me and other kids getting mangled by grown adults, two kids Jake and Eugene, made a run for it. I do feel like I have this dark past that nobody really understands though If anyone remembers me you can reach out, I have a really bad memory and struggle because my coping mechanism is to block things out. I hope youre doing great and have found someone that loves you for you! Now living outside OKC, very rural. It was basically my job to monitor and discipline the students. I hope GOD has mercy on there soul. Many of the staff and fellow students came to know me as Cook or Cooker. I first got some place in Utah. Its cold and going to be colder tonight. It never goes away no matter how long in the rear view the experience was. in a week and half hes your therapist. The full address for this home is Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Ranch, Helmville, Montana 59843. I am sick reading all of these comments. He was a wild son of a bitch, but a sweet guy. Making sure to give out cat 3 violations to keep the numbers down on the 18+ trips to town. I had it relatively good. I enjoyed reading through all of these comments because it has been a long time since I have connected with the memories of this place. Everything else was sort of just a juvie type of atmosphere, kids being shifty and staff attempting to catch them. There was an aluminum boat somebody had chained up but no paddles so after busting the padlock with a boulder (took about 45 minutes but I finally did it) I went back in the forest and found some branches to use as paddles. Hi. Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch was last sold on Apr 8, 2022 for $2,500,000 (0% higher than the asking price of $2,500,000). Or came from hell. Laramie, Wyoming (Albany County) $1,550,000 Sold. if u are ever on this site again, Yes Im 52 and was at spring creek in 83-84 I still to this day have PTSD nightmares and an not on speaking terms with my family. It also earned me a one way ticket out of that hell hole. Roderick Brown. Any of yall can hit me up. I do not have a single complaint about Spring Creek Lodge to this day and its unfortunate that many of you have a different story to tell. Thank you! 450 Beaver Creek West Drive , Big Sky, MT, 59730, Gallatin County DRAMATICALLY REDUCED! If not you have no right or idea what you are talking about. These locations are operated by professional third-party food contractors and their operating systems do not currently offer guests . Diana, I didnt get to call my parents for 13 months. I stole and drove the van into Trout Creek one night with 4 or 5 passengers. We had to postpone our wedding from 6-6-2020 to 10-17-2020 at Springs Creeks Ranch due to COVID and cannot believe how smooth Spring Creeks Ranch made the transition. In all fairness, Mike Linderman was one of the only people affiliated with that program with a college degree, and a decent heart. Those staff members look like pigs in man suits.they clearly belong in hell. And thats what they would do. The variety of ranch properties for sale in Montana fulfill every outdoor-loving whim. Wtf? My step father talked my Mother into sending me here. One activity was the lifeboat and you had to go tell all your fellow prisoners if they lived or died. Family father of excel. But if a program does it, using staff that usually had high school diplomas at max and who were paid around minimum wage and poorly trained if at all, while charging tens of thousands of dollars a year, somehow it becomes okay? This is enough for me for now. Information and Rates. I have night mares still as well fuck I am 30 years old now and still cant get past my time spent there. . Gabe, wow man. I remember the car ride and the 4 months of nothing just sitting thinking Im going to wake up. The Chaffin Twins, Mickey, the connection to Utah, Jamaica all the Missoulian news paper articles. I was led to believe that I was going on a vacation with my Mom to Park Cities, Utah. Most of the allegations the other people are speaking of I can say for sure are true. We were only given lentils to boil for protein. The pit with Tom Sawyer and huckleberry Finn. The CSR's Montana ranch spanned 2,077+/- acres of premium Montana ranchland in the heart of the Gallatin Valley, 10 miles West of Bozeman. I dont think anyone knew or cared that I did not speak. lol of course im much much older and was dumb, we tried making the best situation out of a horrible one. I hoped that was true. I hope you are all healing. Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch last sold on April 08, 2022 for $2,500,000. Most of the townspeople didnt like it, other than they, SCA, dumped a ton of money in town. I was in Serenity too! what about the people that genuinely suffer from ptsd from this school? Fishing changes by the week in Montana. DePuy Spring Creek LLC PO Box 1184 Livingston, MT 59047 I still remember some of the put downs. After leaving there it was back to reality of what the program had to offer. Cameron had a running tab at the local bars. It was my first or second week there. What a creep show those seminars were. Tanner, the ranch manager, was beyond hospitable, caring, and accommodating. Anyone who remembers me please reach out. We didnt stay too close after he came back. The whole experience shook me. Looked official. . Our rare trips to the little library (which I was usually barred from attending) were depressing. Its jail you pay for. My name is ERic Rios, i was there from 2001 2002 I was in respect family, I recall the day I went in October 3, 2001 and the day I left April 21, 2002, Anyone remember Tinkerbell the big black guy with cold teet????? Getting into fights. I can remember them taking all my clothes when I got there and not giving them back. Hmmm.. it was a joke. Omg that place was a cult! It keeps getting worse and worse. Chelsey what time were you at Spring Creek I was in Serenity also. I was there. And i played it safe to say the least! Montana. He was an instant friend. Let me tell you, that shit bled into my life too. The lodge is located next to one of the largest Wilderness areas in the U.S. You can fish for salmon in the Middle Fork of the Salmon River. Spent almost every day I was there in the hobbit. There is no experience more thrilling than catching big, wild fish in a solitary setting. Pictures of the Racist Chaffin Pullan! I still have nightmares where I get sent there and am telling them Im too old to be there but they dont let me go, my parents are still telling me I cant come home. I was put on a plane to Arizona in December and I ended up being forced marched through the canyon country for 3 weeks. At the time it was run by Steve & Nancy Cawdrey. Not the place to be if you wanted a good nights rest. I hate it here, its like a Jail Im scared, I want my mother The counselor lady quickly looks at me and loudly exclaims its not a jail, its a boarding school. Clearview Girls Academy, Heron Montana. Wow ok, I felt that was a little strong and forcefully unneeded information. In 1996, he moved to Montana to open Spring Creek Lodge along with his twin brother Chaffin Pullan and Robert Lichfields brother-in-law, Dan Peart. I do not give SCL or my family any credit for that!! After running all night in the freezing cold(my sweat was frozen to my beanie),I was caught the next morning around 10am. My name is Devin, and I was in Integrity family in 2000. One of the customers overheard us and said there is a girl about 1 mile up near the storage sheds on the right and there are two guys talking to her. I dont see that as an excuse for doing what he did if he did it, but yeah, he was screwed with like all of us. He was from Ohio and was there about a year before going to Czech. The bridge is just west of Noxon and takes the tracks to the north side of the river. Some kids that I knew stayed for years. All these rivers are the perfect alternative to the private spring creek fishing on the McCoy Spring Creek Ranch. I was there 2002-2003. My Dad had lied to mehe said I was going to music school and then surprise: I got abducted by two Samoan guys in an airport in Reno, and I had no idea what was happening or where I was headed. Im john. Tom, you had to be one of those stick in the ass junior staff. and helped me put my pack together. I do remember a lot of negative things about that place, starting with abuse at Brightway in Utah. I think these people were a blessing in my life. Let us answer all of your questions and help you choose exceptional lodges in Chile, Argentina, Alaska and the Bahamas. Im just a MOM and a believer, one who loves her children more than life itself and who is even more inspired after hearing your stories to do everything in her power to show her teen daughter love, grace, empathy, forgiveness, and direction, so she can go out into the world with hope, happiness, and unlimited opportunity. READ REDFIN'S, Do not sell or share my personal information. Money trap, most definetely. i just wanted it to be private at the time. It would be great to see how everyone is doing in life. The town of Dillon is the charming western stop for all necessary amenities. In addition to the nearby Beaverhead River, there are many other classic waters accessible by drift boat or wading within an hours drive from the ranch. I called it my Space Suit because the cold was real and deadly. Please email me at clark.capehart.charles@gmail.com. I remember everything. We could only eat three meals a day, plus one snack, so when we snuck extra pop tarts for friends that was a triumph. Anyway love to get in contact with anyone who knows the two I mentioned or myself. Stocked Trout pond right out the door with large trout ready to take your f1y! All my questions were answered after a few nights of internet research. My nightmares were mostly about feeling trapped and having no sense of control over my own life. The rules that we had to follow so as not to lose a point if a student broke one. I soon learned that I could not call my parents. I made it up to level 4 jr staff. But I think it did more harm. I guess, I was envisioning a classroom, field trips, swimming, fishing, nature observation, hikes, maps / orienteering. When enough boys had arrived, they split us into 3 groups and told us to come up with family names and we would get our own cabins. Haha this is a late answer so you prob wont see it, but I remember you! Its on the left as you are heading West. Memories of my bunk mate losing his fucking mind and trying to kill himself. And to think she used to be my favorite cousinshame shame. Be happy, you deserve it. No wonder my counselor at school had so many questions when I told her I went to Spring Creek. I remember the cowboy and really cool guy that called us his cockroachs. OPENING DOORS REAL ESTATE, LLC. He ended up being sent to Jamaica. Their model was brainwashing. Have some more koolaid commys.. RV Sites - 57 total Take care Spring Creek veterans. Weather in the Northern Rockies can be fickle and it is always a good idea to come prepared regardless of the season. I was at Spring Creek Lodge Academy from March 2001 till May 2003. He would catch flying bugs from the air and eat them for his protein. Certain units include a seating area for your convenience. This place did nothing in the form of help and guidence for teens. I was also in Serenitys Family tho I was there in 1999. Whats up buddy, Courage was formed after I had arrived in that hell hole. Also, if you wouldnt mind posting this comment on the Youth Foundation page, more parents would be able to read it before they considered sending their kids to youth foundation success academy. Narvin. We were all coming from Sky View Christian Academy, which was a WWASP program in Hawthorne, NV that was forced to close because of a handful of lawsuits/complaints. We were denied simple foods and forced to build snares to catch rodents for food. If I breath then it is my fault. He started indoctrinating us during this time where we all felt literally lost in the woods to his version of how we should view ourselves and the way we had been living. I hoped she would not get hit. He is almost 32 years old and is just now starting to talk about what happened at Spring Creek, which is why I am just now doing research on what others experiences were at this facility. theyve grown weary of children I am a parent of a child that I sent to Spring Creek. looking back the place cracks me up. But not worth letting them tear me down emotionally like that. When I called them to make arrangements this is what I was told your son will be dead within 3 months of leaving the program early we accept credit cards.. Then back to class one more time then back to your dorm for the night and you would get a muffin for a snack. Who the hell were these guys? I get that he worked at Spring Creek but that doesnt make him a bad apple too. We who were there knowand it will never go away. Our parents never saw him, yet these are the type of camp couselors we spent most of our time with. There are no excuses and everyone made mistakes but no one deserves to be treated sofoolish as to say our parents couldnt save us or didnt care for us. One would think anyone would understand the backlash of that move, Mike was awesome, and from what I know he was not there at the end I believe he had moved onbut I graduated in 2001 and am nor fully sure. Now one thing begs to question for me. Track this homes value and nearby sales activity. I still have some of the worst and best memories from there. No cooking inside. In between the two I spent about a month a house on a lake with a loaded kitchen snakcks everywhere freedom. Cameron became my new guardian and made that perfectly clear when I got there. I packed a few books for the road and got into a car with two ex-cops. Fishing on Armstrong is good all year round. I saw kids slit there wrists, abused by staff, and bullied by many. later that night when i went to go vote up he was one of the junior staff that stood up and didnt support me voting up. It eventually became clear that they had become almost as brainwashed as some of my peers. Its hard to put into words. $10,975,000. We were thrown in freezing ponds infested with who knows what just for fun. It's nestled between the Absaroka and Gallatin Mountain ranges providing not only world class fishing, but also unrivaled breathtaking views. Theyd even use former Tranquility Bay students to put on the phone where we were made to talk other parents into agreeing to transfer their kids thereinto a far worse program than they were already in. I was in Serenity from 1999 to 2002. That place fucked me up so much worse than I came in. i understand that it must be hard to watch the one u love suffer. At first they gave us snowshoes and marched us up and over mountains in the Rockies. Not remembering Corwin would be like not remembering big mike from Excel. It took me going on hunger strike and losing an unhealthy amount of weight before they called my parents to come get me who ended up being delighted to take me away from there after they saw first hand what this place was like. I didnt want this to be our lives and I didnt want to be responsible for this shit and I just wanted to go home. Took a minute but finally made it across the river next was a big ass cliff of rocks that elevated the river bank from the train tracks. Hows life? Where is the success? I actually came up with our family name Wisdom. The other 2 groups chose Unity and Legend. Slowly we started to realize something wasnt right with these people. Book Now Fish the private waters of our spring creek, limited to 6 rods per day. Tried to stay positive and give my mom everything she had paid foran acceptable me? I got put in exile and literally had to sleep in the woods where everyone could see me but not talk to me I froze my ass off. It sucks but it is what it is you make the best with what life throws at you. When we arrived in Montana there were only a handful of kids already thereI think you & I were part of the 2nd group to arrive, and there were maybe 5 of us I think who arrived in that van trip? Long story short i stole his truck and drove to Idaho filled up at a self serve gas station then ditched the truck in Spokane Washington. If you were a student/detainee, I would say the Pullans and. I remember being IN LOVE with you (the Alaska comment reminded me!!) Being a family parent was not my job, it was my life. If anyone remembers me hit me up id live to chat jameshanson42@gmail.com. I have to say I got lucky with family fathers though.msrk clyde and gunner were cool. some life skills courses, trade courses. One he liked a lot, the other was opened and managed by a former employee of SCL. I was in dignity then Focus, then respect when I was sent back. Be prepared boys and girlsRoger is as dumb and sadistic as it gets. I still call bagels bag-els because of him. I was there winter session. In a way we are kind of like people who have been through any sort of trauma and didnt seek help. Hahaha Laurie, that was my counselor. I always wondered who it was that made it out! After choosing out of PC3- I was pulled four months later (age 15-almost 16). I am so surprised even now seeing the names of the girls from Serenity that I dont remember them. Merry Christmas homie I self correct I mean uhh and happy new year. You know it doesnt make you Look Smart, right? Excel was next door to you guys. Not another sheep in one of your workshops. This exceptional fishery supports a wild population of brown, cutthroat and rainbow trout in its approximately 3-mile length. I was curious, is this the same place that is mentioned in Mike Lindermans book, The Teen Whisperer ?? I kept my mouth shut, played their game, and got the fuck out. I couldnt speak of it in detail until a few years ago. Honestly Ive never really been the same anxiety and paranoia surround my life, which all the Xanax in the world wont take away Ive tried. She is on the tracks and we are about to release 4-5 trains at full speed , she could have been in the middle of that bridge and never had a way off if a train came over. And Rusty was the mormon guy with the brother JasonI think. That place was horrible. It was a bad experience because I learned to see the good side of otherwise evil people and empathize which has cost me a lot, but it also taught me to not be afraid of bullies. Just looking for pictures and memories good and bad. By accepting our use of cookies, your data will be aggregated with all other user data. They look like the reason god gave us flame thrower s lol lets toss some salad. I was in Courage family with him when I first went to SCL. Contact support Overview 82 Photos Amenities 167 Reviews 41 Tips 1 Q&A 257 Main Boulder Road Big Timber, MT 59011 View Phone View Website $$ $$ Average Rate 80 Sites Hookups Seasonally Open: April 1st - October 15th 82+ 100 m 500 ft + - Why? Anyway thankful for your post Brann id enjoy a conversation with you anytime, My name is Chris and I attended Spring Creek Lodge for 6 months in 2003 all I can say is the horror stories are spot on the neglect was real the psychological and physical abuse was real and The Hobbit which only people that have gone to the school will understand what Im talking about pretty much destroyed any self-worth that I had when I requested my exit plan I was given a ride to the nearest homeless shelter and the clothes on my back in the middle of winter I am so glad the school is shut down and I have the utmost hatred for both the school the staff and my parents who still to this day stand behind what they did I hope to God anybody that is stuck in a program like this run run run run it is the only hope and when they let loose the dogs make sure they tear your face off so that you have the physical proof of what they do I know for a fact that use dogs at Spring Creek Lodge to track down students who have ran I only know this because I was put on junior staff privilege and sent on a Manhunt for a lower class student who had ran this school actually had measures and plan taught to their staff in the case that somebody ran or in the case that somebody tried to hurt themselves simply because it happened so frequently and the staff made sure to downplay anything that was going on at the school that would be construed as detrimental to the well-being of a minor the two men at the head of this ship should be held for their crimes and being given the the chair if you ask me which would be fitting because all we would have to do is tell him that its worksheet sit on your stool and stare at the wall only for him there would be no release after 24 hours of sitting on the stool this may sound like a rant or exaggeration but all I can say is I have not construed the truth in any way if you want any more details feel free to contact me I will speak freely about everything that went on at that school if thats what you want to call it, My name is Chris and I attended the school in 2003 I currently live in Phoenix Arizona and when I read your story about the desert I thought maybe you would still be around here if you are I would totally be down to talk to you Im going through a little bit myself now that I am in my 30s and the flashback of this period of my life are starting to dominate my current psyche I think maybe if I was able to connect with some other people that understood what I went through I might be able to talk of the flashback if you would be okay talking with me please by all means give me a call my phone number is 602-596-3046, Looks like this isnt a very active place to post anymore, but I just wanted to state that I think I have everyone beat in a few ways. Did my time in tbe marines and served my country in afgan and irq. I wish there was a magic pill for that year of hell to go. He was a good friend to me and if it wasnt for him I might not have made it out that place. Mike the counselor got punched in the face while I was there. I have to say is Staff that Shit, I was in Orange County boy from California, you do the math, as a say in the program I hate myself Now people are doing the seminars out here, I heard that Rapper Earl sweatshirt went to the Samoa Program, crazy!! The C Lazy G Ranch, also known in the sporting world as the McCoy Spring Creek Ranch, is located near Dillon in Montanas fabled Beaverhead Valley. After extensive prepping and planning. I think Sky View Christian Academy was open for maybe 5 years?.. The only man in the behavior modification program with the title Psychologist and we werent allowed to talk to him haha So telling. If you fail in life because you cant shake the memories, they win. After a week and a half of snowshoeing through this insane weather that no sane person would subject themselves to willingly, they gave us cross country skis . The little kid you remember was Cliff Miller, and there was Cody Bradford. That place brought out the worst in people. Insect hatches are predictable, plentiful and offer the angler an unparalleled fly fishing experience. I was the youngest one in both those programs I was barely 13 years old. Cameron Pullan With over 3 miles of productive spring creeks, two fishing ponds and many other wetland sloughs onsite, the outdoor opportunities are endless. I hope the staff there burn in Hell. There are also 2 guest cabins onsite, each with 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. Hi out there! I dont know if anyone still checks this site but if so, please let me know if you were in Charity in 2005. In the end I had my own successful demonstration of defiance. I stumbled upon this page while looking for a way to get my transcripts I even found a post my mother Julie made in 2013. www.ranchflip.com is using a security service for protection against online attacks. I think I met you in a seminar where they made us stick stickers on boys and made us think about all the times the opposite sex screwed us over? I wouldnt believe it if I hadnt seen it with my own eyes. Hid them in the dryer tube ,every Sunday when we had to clean I would grab a pack , smoked them out the bathroom window at night. Most of you out there that say it was a prison or cult only say that because your little kids throwing a temper tantrum because you didnt get your way, you didnt get to party late and have sex or take drugs, because you had NO respect for your parents or yourselves..oh and you were aloud to talk to your parents there just not straight away.. O'Dell Spring Creek Map RAINBOW VALLEY LODGE 4781 US HIGHWAY 287 N POST OFFICE BOX 26 ENNIS, MONTANA 59729 (406) 682-4264 (800) 452-8254 FISH THE MADISON RIVER O'DELL SPRING CREEK HATCH CHART FLY SHOP SPRING FISHING FLY FISHING PACKAGE MONTANA TROUT STREAMS Upcoming Events Dec 9 All day Spirit of Christmas Stroll View Calendar PRIVACY I think, Danny, I remember you. I was only 15. I still have PTSD and vivid nightmares of that place almost 16 years later. there was this junior staff who worked my family that day. For the firat few weeks, he and I werenteven allowed to make eye contact. I think he walked out. You know what I am thinking of? any spring creek lodge people have any luck getting their transcripts?? The Paradise Valley spring creeks offer some of the most challenging fly fishing conditions for wild trout in the world. Ill never be the same because my parents were too weak or lazy to raise me themselves. Did any girl ever have anything similar happen to them? I was rebellious, purposefully non-compliant. Alcoholic step father, beaten often, brainwashed and belittled etc. I started my period all alone and was laughed at by other girls. that is the full truth and whole truth about my 2 escape attempts within my 2 months I was there. Because your pretty much teaching yourself. survived BOB. I was 15. Anyways Ive ranted enough. But shipping a child away is no option. If you are a staff member you were party to the systematic mental and physical abuse of the program, designed to promote failure in all but those who actually needed real help. I adored many of those kids. Hello, my fellow alumnime and Patrick G. were the last two to graduate from the program and I still remember everything like it happened yesterdaythe craziest shit is trying to explain how it was there to ANYONE on the outsideanyways, does anyone remember Mr. Davehe was my favorite staff member there, also Big Al too from Honor family, which was the family that I was put into upon arrivalmy parents tricked me into going thereI rebelled for a year, tried to kill myself multiple times, etc but after I went through orientation I just flew through the program because I realized that if I hadnt gotten pulled from the program already that I probably wasnt going toonly seminar I had to choose out of ever was Principles but got through it on the second round. There was much discussion and hype about the real estate market and economy in general in 2022. My life didnt really ever go anywhere to be honest. I thought this was a school? Pretty much just to get me out of her hair so she could drink and party honestly. The mental and emotional abuse affected me the most. Someone calls back to me that there is another missing girl on the tracks and to call this phone number. Yeah its amazing how every parent got sold the your kids gonna wind up dead story. Im really trying to find a Trauma and PTSD therapist right now possibly a psych who is already educated on Spring Creek / WWASP. Friends of mine like little Doug, John H., Eugene, and countless others endured unspeakable abuse at the hands of Lichfield led psychopathic, Mormon, disciplinarian sadists like Chaffin Pullan, his brother Cameron, Duane Smotherman, not to mention the lower level rapist night watchmen and junior staff. Yep, the essay pitI remember the Huck Finnand there was Call of the Wild by Jack London too. The Counselors who had no degrees were simply misfits from society who had no where else to go, One of tre counselors had gone through the program himself and was offered a job with no degree. Good job!!! Hello Fellow Survivors, I played the game. Alex. I was forced to sleep in a tent with members of the opposite sex. I know alot of crazy shit happened in both of those places. You just Look Like An Idiot. A white car speeds around me pulls to the side of the road and another women jumps out. Required fields are marked *. I was sent away because I was a less than desirable child to have in your home. Lmao. Did yall REEEEALLY need that 15 foot high pile of rocks moved to left ten feet? There are two guys there, large stature and have radios in there hands. Chelsie, you are right about not remembering everything clearly. They made me burn all of my cothes so I had nothing. (which meant a category two violation). Ive known people who have done it. I cannot imagine the betrayal you kids felt, having your parents trick and abandon you. I remember a few weeks in once it REALLY sank in I lost it. That was just sick and I knew that even then.
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